The Charlotte 49ers' football field house was named in a most surprising fashion Saturday evening
The facility will be called the Judy W. Rose Field House, for the 49ers athletics director who was instrumental in bringing football to UNC Charlotte, where the sport begins I'm 2013.
The news came at a football-related reception Saturday at the home of Chancellor Phil Dubois. Dale Halton, a long-time university and athletic department benefactor, donated the naming-rights money for the field house, but she asked that Rose's name go on the building instead.
The announcement caught Rose by surprise on a day that goalposts were erected on McColl-Richardson Field (which will have turf installed next week).
Saturday, August 11, 2012
Charlotte 49ers field house named for Rose
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If instrumental is the key, Judy should do the right thing, "CFI Field House"
No doubt - The Charlotte Football Initiative is the reason football is here. Judy did nothing but react to the shifting political winds.
What a terrible thing. Dumb. Generous, but dumb. She held us back forever then succumbed because she listened to th great Mac Everett.
If CFI wanted it to be named CFI Fieldhouse, they should have stroked the check instead of Dale. Halton's money is REAL!
The students and donors are paying the freight. They are the reason football is here.
That's funny Sherry. Doubt you have given the requisite donation for even that.
8:56. Judy didn't write the check so seriously doubt she can sublease the name and disrespect Dale in that way. Sounds like some people should have gotten out their checkbooks if they didn't want this name. But turns out you can't build FBS programs on pledges.
You "annonymous" bloggers are the reason why Charlotte will always fight an uphill battle.. CFI... really? You think marching and the other meaningless actions you did really helped do anything? You have no idea what it actually takes to implement an NCAA program with an alumni base who does not put their money where their mouth is. You have no idea how fortunate Charlotte is to have a leader like Judy Rose. How many of you ninernation.net/CFI people have given the university $10k in your lifetime?? Complain, complain, complain about EVERYTHING. I am so glad I am not around your unappreciative people anymore.
All FSLs sold for FCS size stadium? No
Naming rights for stadium? No
Able to build football without insane student fee? No
Capital campaign going well? No
10 year old logo branded well enough to not clutter the helmet? No
In a better situation than had we started football in some other decade of her career? No
Not very deserving, but not my money.
Sigh. Good will, but small time. I cannot believe this has been allowed to happen.A term which has not started to play has already given fans reason to ...
Sigh, small time always shows.
the only AD in the NCAA the past decade equally as bad, is UNCW's, and they canned her appropriately
If Dale Halton had any decency it would be called Student Fee Field House.
"Real Fan" or should I say "mark"? Stop being a Judy Homer, just because you have nmade a semi-modest living off of your previous ties with the University, sucking up to her....ie: the SS wannabe sports marketing firm. I till think your best work was carrying soccer balls for me during soccer games in the 80's. I have given quite a bit to the school and the amount is not important, snob. Judy has always fought the idea of football for years and WAS NOT instrumental in bringing it here. I know from personal conversations with her over the years that she was always against the idea. This naming of the Field House is yet another example of the joke of an AD she is.
Unbelievable. smh...
Your welcome,
CFI
Yeah, I'm sure she was SHOCKED! #eyeroll
Sigh, small time always shows and shows everywhere.
obviously this is going to be a distraction and so she will probably step down soon
Horrible Decision! This person has almost singlehandedly destroyed the UNCC Athletic Department. A visionary, which she isn't, would have understood the importance of a football program 20 years ago. Not having a football team has virtually killed the basketball program. Decisions like this one are why UNCC will always be mediocre at best.
This is a f'n joke. Slap in the face of the students and alumni.
As someone who was in contact with Ms. Rose frequently throughout the entire pre- and post- football process, I want to chime in...
First, those who say she did nothing...obviously, you know nothing what you're talking about. She has some a lot, even during times you didn't realize she was doing something. She actually began the first steps towards a football program pre-9/11, but after 9/11, the requests for funding a football program from alumni and donors felt out of place. So the initiative died.
Here's where I think most of you are right. Just before the CFI started, I emailed her to find out where we were on the issue. She again stated she wasn't sure if the time was right. Then the CFI started, and suddenly she was pushed into making the steps again to start the initiative. So with that, the CFI was essential for getting the program started as soon as it did. Without the CFI, I don't think we'd even be at the student vote for football yet. I think she would have said the economy needed to be back in great shape before she felt comfortable asking for donors.
At the same time, the CFI fell very short of its goal of selling FSLs. So all of these big shots that pledged they'd buy FSLs and didn't could have tanked the process. But here's where Rose earned her stripes. She helped steer the donation requests to help fill the necessary gaps so we could continue pursuing football. And was instrumental and bold in getting us so quickly into the FBS, which is huge for a small football program. Ask Old Dominion, App State (still waiting on their invite), etc..
So give credit where credit is due. While Rose wasn't exactly instrumental in starting the football process as early as it did, which is in high thanks to those who created the CFI, Rose was highly responsible for getting us where we are now when the pledges and money fell short.
Hey Annon at 9:52... Thanks for thinking of me. You don't know me well, even if I shagged your soccer balls.
Our firm is doing fine. We lost the Charlotte business, so now I am sure you will enjoy the new regime.
Best,
Mark
Are we going to have a marching band!!?
Just be thankful we have a football team now!
Dumb question here. But will we be able to tailgate on campus (beer, grills, music, etc.) like they do at other college football games? The reason I ask is since this is on campus property. That would really suck, if not. Thanks to whomever knows the answer.
panfan1, my understanding is a marching band will come, but not any time soon. Because of the upcoming switch to FBS, they have to address mandatory changes first. Marching bands aren't cheap, so I'd expect that to come later.
LOL...laughing at "Real Fan's" anonymous comment.
So Real is your first name? or is it a middle name?
I get Fan is your last name.
By the way, I do exist and have had many of my shows on TV for decades.
I'm the one who never catches Mr. Road Runner.
how about Fantasy Dollar Fieldhouse?????
"CFI fell very short of its goal of selling FSLs."
That was NEVER a goal of CFI. The goal of CFI was simply to present football to the admin in a way that would be difficult to say no. This was achieved through tshirt sales, a pledge drive (when the economy was doing MUCH better), a march by students and alumni and by working with students to make sure their voice was heard on a vote for student fees. In fact CFI was never contacted to assist with FSL sales. Many of us participated and sold FSLs, but the group as a whole never partnered with the AD because they never reached out to us.
"How many of you ninernation.net/CFI people have given the university $10k in your lifetime?? Complain, complain, complain about EVERYTHING. I am so glad I am not around your unappreciative people anymore."
Rest assured that the heart beat of NinerNation resides on NNN. There are many of us that give generously to the school and to the AD. We have basketball tickets, we have FSLs and we attended soccer and baseball games. There is nothing wrong with always demanding the best and then working to make it happen. Simply clapping every time the AD says something and not demanding more is a recipe for never achieving greatness.
"You think marching and the other meaningless actions you did really helped do anything? You have no idea what it actually takes to implement an NCAA program with an alumni base who does not put their money where their mouth is."
Yes I think orchestrating the student vote that proved students would support an increase in student fees gave the AD and Admin was a key point in the push for football. The march and tshirt sales simply kept the desire in the public eye. if CFI had nothing to do with this then why is it only after CFI started to publicly campaign did the football train get rolling? As for the alumni base - the fact that we have a massive alumni base who does not feel a connection to the sports teams or to the university tells you something about what an outstanding job our admins and athletic department do. Go do some research on the growth - or lack of growth in the 49er Club over the past 10 years and get back to me. We are a loyal few - but we are few.
"Go do some research on the growth - or lack of growth in the 49er Club over the past 10 years ..."
That was Judy Roses fault for alienating 80% of UNCC alumni with the sports name change as even Cedrick Maxwell said that was his final association with the school ...
"That was Judy Roses fault for alienating 80% of UNCC alumni with the sports name change as even Cedrick Maxwell said that was his final association with the school ..."
Now thats funny. One of the visionary and forwarding thinking things she has done is brand us as just Charlotte. Now only if our chancellor would realize it is time to ditch the tarnished UNC portion of our name.
"This was achieved through tshirt sales, a pledge drive (when the economy was doing MUCH better), a march by students and alumni and by working with students to make sure their voice was heard on a vote for student fees."
Tshirt sales! HAHA You think tshirt sales got us football?? Youre right - the economy was much better - which is why Judy should be commended for pushing forward. But its a fact that many of the people who pledged havent and never intended to follow through. Just like the meaningless student vote by students who knew they would not get the fee increase but pass it along for the next generation
For years the weakest link with the 49ers has been in marketing. From the pathetic radio coverage (610AM) to the embarrassing billboard campaigns (Rose had Cornbread Lutz has Withers) thats all been because of Signature Sports. Im glad we dumped them and moved on to someone who knows what they are doing.
"Tshirt sales! HAHA You think tshirt sales got us football?? Youre right - the economy was much better - which is why Judy should be commended for pushing forward. But its a fact that many of the people who pledged havent and never intended to follow through. Just like the meaningless student vote by students who knew they would not get the fee increase but pass it along for the next generation"
The tshirt sales kept public pressure on them to answer the question about football. That is all they were intended to do.
That student vote removed what was their mantra for years - that students would not pay for football. That vote was also a VERY important piece of the puzzle when the student fee had to be approved by the BOG. Same way that Halton arena and the student union were paid for an approved.
Judy should be commended for fighting through the downturn, DuBois should be commended for going with an on campus facility and saying yes to football, we all owe Mac Everett a ton of gratitude for what he did - which was make football politically viable for both Judy and Phil.
The idea though that Judy was this shining beacon of light for football can not be more wrong.
As for the pledges - the pledge was just a pledge on the CFI site. I don't think many of us expected a $1,000 FSL that DuBois came up with. For an FCS team that was unheard of and is still a large outlay of cash relative to FBS schools. That when combined with the economy is the primary driver in the low pledge response over to FSLs. With that said I am sure some people that pledged never intended to pay - but, and this might be a shocker for you - that happens with ALL pledge drives.
Will the Observer actually provide a story in PRINT for our opening game?
^^^^ It depends on how many promotional articles they print promoting UNC-chapel hill. There may not be space for us.
" I don't think many of us expected a $1,000 FSL that DuBois came up with. For an FCS team that was unheard of and is still a large outlay of cash relative to FBS schools. That when combined with the economy is the primary driver in the low pledge response over to FSLs."
A $1000 check is absolutely minuscule when you are looking at bigtime college football! The FSLs sold so far amount to just a drop in the bucket! Youve just entered a nuclear arms race and want to stock up at the Fireworks Depot. Yet you want all the luxuries - seat backs, stadium lights, marching band. HAHA!
Dubois wanted to sell 5000 FSL before starting football... that still hasnt been done. Football is destined to fail and not because of Judy but because of sniveling brats on NNN.
I am sure Judy will let all the women's field hockey players have equal time and space in her new fieldhouse.
Anon 8:49 wrote:
"Football is destined to fail and not because of Judy but because of sniveling brats on NNN."
You sound like you want football to fail. Out of curiosity, did you did go to UNC-Chapel Hill and were you once a poster on NNN?
"A $1000 check is absolutely minuscule when you are looking at bigtime college football! The FSLs sold so far amount to just a drop in the bucket! Youve just entered a nuclear arms race and want to stock up at the Fireworks Depot. Yet you want all the luxuries - seat backs, stadium lights, marching band. HAHA!
Dubois wanted to sell 5000 FSL before starting football... that still hasnt been done. Football is destined to fail and not because of Judy but because of sniveling brats on NNN."
When the FSL was announced we were FCS for the forseeable future. Go find me another FCS program that has asked for $1000 just to buy the right to buy tickets. As for playing bigtime college football - we are not a league with LSU or Alabama. Football is expensive, but we aren't playing in an elite BCS conference either. We are already out pacing App in AD budget and giving, so give the football team a few years and the money will be fine. As for those brats on NNN - without them football wouldn't be coming, nearly all of us have FSLs, most of us are members of the 49er Club, we attend home games, we attend away games and we support U in many other ways. If you want to point fingers how about pointing at the tens of thousands of local alumni who do nothing for this university instead of the few who actually care.
You sure throw a lot of stones. Did you go to ECU last year? Did you go to UT a few years ago? Did you go to Hoover? Do you own FSLs? Do you have basketball season tickets? Do you go to soccer games? Did you go to GT a few years ago? Are you going to Davidson this year? No? Yeah thats what I thought.
If football fails it won't because the few at NNN didn't do their part - it will be because the rest of the alumni base is still to busy watching Chapel Hill cheat their way to another basketball title or fail again at being a decent football program.
I posted before about talking to Rose pre and post football discussions and just caught up reading other people's posts...
First off, the CFI was used as an indication of how many people were serious about football. Tshirt sales may have helped, but it was a very small thing. People (I was one of them) had been chanting about football at basketball games any time Rose hit the floor at halftime, so she had plenty of non-tshirt related reminders. And I was one of many who emailed her on a semi-frequent basis, asking her when she predicted football in the future.
If I'm not mistaken (and correct me if i'm wrong), Dubois used the pledge figures (5000 goal) as a benchmark for determining if Charlotte would get football. I know he said that if we can sell 5k FSLs, we'll have football. The pledges were over 5k, if not well over 5k. After all the feasibility studies and student votes came and time came to shell out money, many people bought them immediately, but it was well short of 5k. Even today, and I could be wrong, I think they are just short of 4k. However, donors stepped in and helped cover the difference. So the CFI was instrumental in showing that FSLs could be purchased, but what was pledged didn't match what was actually spent. Yes, pledges typically do fall short, but we didn't fully step up.
So here's where I disagree with you. You say that FCS teams don't have seat license programs and if i get your implication correctly, was a bad idea. Maybe other FCS schools don't have seat license progrmas. But how do you generate enough money to start the vastly expense of a football program pushed so hard by alumni? You do like so many other emerging sports programs: seat licenses. And they are $1000 a seat. And you could pay them off in 4 years. That's $250/yr per seat, just over $20 a month. They made this incredibly affordable for anyone. People just like to whine that they have to pay more than the cost of a ticket to a game. That's what it took to get a program from nothing to where we are now. I was and still am 100% in support of the FSL idea. Without it, I don't think you would get alumni donorships. Even if you made a "football fund", would the same alumni donate $250 or $500 (for the equivalent of 2 seats) for 4 years? No. They would though if they know they are buying a seat and being instrumental for bringing college football to their university. I did for that reason.
Bottom line: CFI did not and should not be on that field house. Many could argue Rose shouldn't either, but she was honored by the person who shelled out the money. That was his choice, not yours. CFI was instrumental in showing how many people were serious about football, not tshirts. Rose helped bridge the gap between the shortage of the targeted # of FSLs sold vs actual, plus getting additional donors, and her and her staff working diligently to get us to FBS in 2015?? She's done a great job. Could she had done better? Probably--she could have been more vocal over the years about how she's planning to evolve the athletics department, to include football, so it didn't seem like she did nothing for the effort.
But she's done a great job. Quit whining.
I love all the anonymous posters here who are hell-bent on finding anything to criticize the AD, Chancelor, buildings and everything else about my school. Being "anonymous" they can claim anything, up to being golfing buddies with the Chancelor and speaking daily with the AD they claim to hate more than any human who ever lived.
You are all full of crap.
I will remind you for the 1,000,000,000,000,000th time that the last 3 men's hoops coaches, last 4 women's hoops coaches, the last 2 soccer coaches, the last 3 golf coaches, and the football coach, were all hired by Judy Rose. All have had some degree of success. Most of them, unfortunately, turned out to love money more than their school and the first time a BCS conference team came along offering a fat check, they jumped on it. In spite of that, Rose has continued hiring quality coaches. We're not sure about the latest men's hoops coach yet, but I think our move out of the A-10 will make life a lot better for him and the program. Spew your bile as long as you like, but facts indicate she has done a good job as AD. I have no problem with the field house being named after her.
Its great that UNCC has a few diehard fans that support the program. But you will need alot more.
Whats bad is the anonymous posters who hide behind the internet and cause trouble. When you bash everything and everyone with the program and make these ridiculous demands we sink further down the toilet. Going to away games and giving $1000, $2000, or $4000 for FSLs doesnt give you right to anything. Constantly bashing Judy will not make the program better. Just look at what NNN did to the basketball team after you got Lutz fired.
"giving $1000, $2000, or $4000 for FSLs doesnt give you right to anything"
It gives you the right to purchase season tickets. But probably eluding to your point, it does not make you a board member.
There are plenty of season tickets still available. I could to walk up on August 30th 2013 and buy season tickets. But why would I do that if I only want to go to a couple games a year? Buy right at kickoff, and walk right, in and probably sit in a better seat than many of you. And dont give me that "We are so close to selling out and you will not be able to get in" BS. If you believe that you are even dumber than I would have imagined.
Anon 1:08, thank God there are less people like you, or you wouldn't have a football box office to walk up to on Saturday mornings.
It frustrates me how so many complainers who were licking their chops for football for so long but failed to pay a measly $20/mo for 4 years to help bring football to the university, and now plan to buy tickets as they seem fit. You could easily be right, but I'm hoping you're wrong about the availability of tickets next year. I'm also hoping they honor those FSL owners and donors in some way (which they have already been looking in to), so those who chose to wuss out, especially those financially capable of $20/mo, can be reminded of their cheapness. And please note that if you are in the group that simply and truthfully couldn't afford it--I'm not referring to you. I'm referring to those who turned their noses up to the university when they needed financial support to bring football to the Charlotte 49ers athletics program. I sincerely hope you are the ones we see holding your fingers up in the air, wanting tickets to the opening game. You don't deserve getting in.
"Bottom line: CFI did not and should not be on that field house. Many could argue Rose shouldn't either, but she was honored by the person who shelled out the money. That was his choice, not yours. CFI"
First of all - it is a SHE (Dale Halton) not a HE, which forces me to call into question if you really are a supporter of the U.
My sole point is that it is ironic that the football field house will have the name of an AD who was at best like warm to football publicly for many many years and only jumped on the train after CFI and Mac Everett made it ok for her to do it. She never stuck her neck out for football. I will give her credit though that once football was looking possible she has done nothing but deliver exceptional results culminating into our re-entry into CUSA.
As to the rest of your points - I don't have an issue with FSLs and it was the best way to get us where we need to be. I was simply pointing out to another poster that the pledge list gathered by CFI and the FSL sales are two very sep things. $1000 for a FSL to an FCS is steep even if it was the right path to take.
"When you bash everything and everyone with the program and make these ridiculous demands we sink further down the toilet. Going to away games and giving $1000, $2000, or $4000 for FSLs doesnt give you right to anything. Constantly bashing Judy will not make the program better. "
Without people giving the $1000, $2000 or $4000 for FSLs or going to away games or being members of the 49er Club things would not be happening. Being a supporter always gives you the right to be critical of the direction we are headed. As an alum, a longtime donor, basketball season ticket holder and and FSL holder you can bet your ass I will let it be known both publicly and privately when I think we can do better. Doesn't mean I can fire a coach myself - but by being a supporter of both the academic and athletic mission of the university I will always look for our path to greatness and call out those who are not on board with that vision.
My only regret is that it took this long to get football going. This all should have happened in the 90s and we would be in the Big East. The blame for that not happening is shared blame - Chancellor Woodward, Judy, the AD, the 49er Club, the students, alumni, the donor base, etc. What is important now though is we are on the cusp.
"There are plenty of season tickets still available. I could to walk up on August 30th 2013 and buy season tickets. But why would I do that if I only want to go to a couple games a year? Buy right at kickoff, and walk right, in and probably sit in a better seat than many of you. And dont give me that "We are so close to selling out and you will not be able to get in" BS. If you believe that you are even dumber than I would have imagined."
Let me do the math for you:
7500 Students tickets
5000 FSL holders
2500 Conference allotment/sponsors/visiting team
Reaserch shows that aprox 1/3 of your student base will come to a football game. Our student enrollment in 2013 will be 26,000+ (so that is around 8500 people)
5000 FSL holders HAVE to buy tickets, while there are a few left these will be gone by kickoff.
2500 allotment - MAYBE you can sneak one of these, but I am going to say that the first two seasons these may be given to additional students and sponsors, once CUSA rolls in these will be gone.
There you go - SOLD OUT. You might be able to sneak into a game here or there but know that the only reason you are getting in is that people like myself and other FSL holders made it possible. While you are switching seats and trying to find a lot to tailgate in we will be creating relationships, atmosphere and traditions that will live for decades.
Oh and your line "there are plenty of season tickets available". Since they have not realeased any ticket info you obviously have no clue what you are talking about.
"First of all - it is a SHE (Dale Halton) not a HE, which forces me to call into question if you really are a supporter of the U."
In my 6 years of undergrad and grad school at Charlotte, camping out for basketball tickets and leaving games horse from heckling the opposing team, I never realized "Dale" is a woman. That is new to me. Oops.
*hoarse
My research shows that only about 800 students go to your basketball games. And you can cut the sponsorship/visiting team allotment in half, since Campbell and Wesley arn't known for a traveling fanbase, and your capital gifts campaign has turned up crickets.
So let me do the math... half empty stadium.
"My research shows that only about 800 students go to your basketball games. And you can cut the sponsorship/visiting team allotment in half, since Campbell and Wesley arn't known for a traveling fanbase, and your capital gifts campaign has turned up crickets.
So let me do the math... half empty stadium."
We averaged 6,000 last year for a crappy basketball team (which still puts us in the top 90 of college basketball attendance). I can promise you that isn't 5,200 alumni. In addition if I need to explain the differences between football and basketball attendance to you then you don't understand the dynamics around game attendance.
As for the tickets - like I said sure maybe you can sneak into Campbell or another game - but you still have FSL holders to thank. Not to mention all the FSL holders will be developing relationship with those they are sitting with and creating traditions. You are just a stooge who was too cheap to support the university in it's hour of need.
The AD does need to keep the Captial Campaign up - no doubt. If I have a complaint with how things have gone - that is the only one.
"You might be able to sneak into a game here or there but know that the only reason you are getting in is that people like myself and other FSL holders made it possible."
"As for the tickets - like I said sure maybe you can sneak into Campbell or another game - but you still have FSL holders to thank."
PLEASE SHUT UP! Stop patting yourself on the back because you gave a few thousand dollars into a program that will cost MEGA Millions of $$$$ that you somehow changed the world! If anything football started because of a panic when so many people STOPPED supporting the school when it went to the A-10! Judy built this program on the backs of future students. Its going to be a black hole that will ruin a once proud and prestigious institution.
"Its going to be a black hole that will ruin a once proud and prestigious institution"
This sounds familiar. Wasn't this the same type of person, if not the same person, that said football:
<2008: would never happen at Charlotte
mid 2008: would never get passed the students' vote to increase the fees
late 2008: would never get passed the feasibility committee
2009: would never get the money necessary to start the program
2011: would never reach Div. 1 / FBS and stay in the FCS forever,
and now
2012: going to be a black hole that ruins the program?
If only we could make a plaque out of some of these haters comments and post these on the wall outside of the stadium where his/her predictions were obviously so wrong?
Haters gonna hate.
I'm enjoying this.
"PLEASE SHUT UP! Stop patting yourself on the back because you gave a few thousand dollars into a program that will cost MEGA Millions of $$$$ that you somehow changed the world!"
You know what those thousands of dollars add up to? Yeah that is right - millions.
I agree with proud PSL owner, he makes good points as a student in 07" when we voted I actually never saw things happening so fast, im proud of cfi who's website i vistited to see if any news was happening, ninernaation.net where we all should get our information and judy rose, when i was there we had nicknames for her, but I ride by that stadium now and its gorgeous, its like our baby and we should all appreciate this.
ninernation for life.
class of 2010"
Some people are just mad. If it wasn't for them, I'd be short 1000's of lols. Thank you for being mad!
Wow what a waste of space she is, and now she gets the field named after her?! App State has got to laughing at us again.........
You bet they are laughing at us again, first we go for the first conference to come calling (which oh BTW might not even be around after next round of alignment), now this crap! Now we all have to look at her butch name on the field everyday. I wanted football since day number one, but I must say we are like a kid with a new toy that doesn't know how to play with it.
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